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So for the past few weeks I’ve been contemplating on why am I still watching AHS Coven and I’m just at a lost. I know I’m here for Angela Bassett as Marie Laveau, and Gaborey Sidibe as Queenie, however this show is trying it’s damnest to make the only Black Females on this show the villains. I am…
I understand why people see racism in ahs coven but I think they see it wrong. Ryan Murphy’s shows are always a morality tale, about certain problems in society. He shows us those problems in order to show people how much they can hurt others. This season in particular is about sexism and racism.
Marie Laveau is not a villain, there are no villains in American horror story (except maybe the axeman ?). Most characters do good and bad things according to their personality. That has nothing to do with the color of their skin.
Marie laveau has lived for over 200 years. She is immortal and she’s been there throughout all the racist times, she’s seen all the horrible stuff people have done to eachother (and focused on how white people entirely dehumanized black people. Because she saw it all and it was significant to her. I’m not saying it’s not significant to other people black or white but they didn’t live it, so it doesn’t have the same effect.) she went through all that so no wonder that she became as bitter as she is. I’d be surprised if she hadn’t.
When it comes to queenie, I don’t think she’s a villain at all. She sided with Marie laveau because she thought that that way should belong. Cause that’s what she’s been looking for love and acceptance. Which a lot of people struggle with, and I’m guessing especially heavy and/or black people (she’s both) so no wonder she wants a place to belong. I didn’t see her being evil at all though. She clearly struggling not to feel sorry for what she’d done to Lalaurie, despite knowing what’d she’d done. Cause she’s human and it’s difficult to hate anyone when you’ve talked to them and know them in a sense.
The minotaur thing was a metaphor. Queenie felt different from the others, detached (which in her case probably did have something to do with the color of her skin since this season is about racism and how it affects people. But it’s not nessacarily a reason to feel different from others. I think a lot of people do, including myself). She acted badass to hide her insecureties. The minotaur is in this series one of a kind, alone. It’s different so it is misunderstood and queenie so badly wanted a connection with someone she thought she could have one with the minotaur cause she thought that maybe they had some things in common (but obviously the minotaur wasn’t the answer). Murphy could have expressed this easily with another person who was somehow different and not good for queenie (which is what most shows do in these cases) but he didn’t because it’s still a horror show. He is trying to be provoking to go to extremes so people won’t so easily forget what they’ve seen and put it aside again.
As for Lalaurie I think her character is there to show us that human beings can do horrible things without representing them as monsters (which is what the media usually does) it’s easy to say “this person has done this but he/she is a monster.” That way we’re detaching ourselves. We think that only monsters can do those things, but it’s actually people who do the worst things I have ever heard of. It’s not because they do something terrible that they suddenly lose all human traits. And it’s not because they have those human traits that we should forgive them, but it’s more difficult to hate someone when you’ve met them. It’s very confronting. So yeah, Ryan is showing us her human side but not with the intension of giving her redemption, but to show the truth behind vile human beings (the fact that in a lot of way, they’re still like us, which doesn’t excuse them one bit for what they did obviously) also, she kind of revealed her true colors while talking to Marie Laveau in the last episode. She’s still a racist, she hasn’t changed one bit. Cause people rarely change .
I also don’t think Fiona is really racist. Or maybe she’s racist towards voodoo priestesses but that doesn’t really have anything to do with the color of their skin. But most of all I think it’s about her feeling like she’s better then anyone else, and she can’t have anyone point out that they’re more powerful then her. That’s where all her hate and bitterness comes from. She’s mostly just very arrogant and self centered.
And let me just add that creating racist characters is not the same as being racist. Racism is still a problem in today’s society and it should be shown on tv how that problem affects people, to make people think deeper about how it affects other people when they say/do something.
I can agree that if all black women in a show are presented as villains the show is racist. Because it gives people these bad ideas. But that’s not the case with this show, Marie Laveau is not a villain, neither is queenie. They are women with problems (that do have something to do with the color of their skin because that’s one of the reasons society was unfair to them) they are not perfect. Marie Laveau did some terrible things, but considering her situation, the way society treated her and those she cared about, we understand her actions. (not meaning we agree with them) they make sense. While Lalaurie’s actions are entirely without reason. She did horrible things because she could.
All these characters have their own significance to show aspects of what society can do to a person and what a person can do to society.
I hope I shed some light on the situation. I’m not trying to resent your argument, I understand where you’re coming from I’m merely trying to explain it from a different perspective.
But you’re not shedding any light doe, you literally start this off with “I think I understand why you see this, but you see it wrong.” No I fucking don’t. You’re operating from this perspective like I’m misinformed and don’t know what I’m talking and you’re doing exactly what you’re saying you didn’t want to do of resenting my argument. You’re trying to tell me a Black Queer Woman mind you how I’m misinterpreting the racist depictions of Queenie and Marie Laveau, that is not your call to make, and you trying to shit here an educate me is condescending, and whitesplaining. A show can discuss racism, without having racist depictions of Black Women. I know Queenie and Marie aren’t villains, that isn’t what I said, I said they are vilifying them, which means casting in a light to be antagonist. They don’t set up Nan, Cordelia, Madison, Zoe, Madame LaLaurie, Misty, Fiona to be antagonist, they have humanized them all of them. You’re trying to tell me things that you don’t understand at all, and this is why what you have to say is irrelevant. Ryan Murphy is not equipped to write a show dealing with racism for the fact he doesn’t know how to handle Black Women as characters. The minotaur is racist as hell, you can show Queenie feeling detached, and out of place without degrading her character to being placed with an mythical creature. Zoe felt out of place too but did they give her a mythical creature? Hell no, everyone else gets an human love interest except for Queenie. Her character is an human voodoo doll a Black Woman who can’t feel pain. In society it is a stereotype that Black People especially Black Women don’t feel pain, and this stereotype allows for Black Women to be written in these tropes of Strong Black Women where she is getting the brunt of abuse, and suffering and some how she isn’t upset but is only strong, they are doing that with Queenie’s character, and they are also doing that with Marie Laveau making her angry. Marie Laveau is being depicted as the angry black woman, and that naturally makes her the villain towards her white female counterparts. That is a racist trope. That’s not showing racism in a show that is a show being racist learn the difference. They aren’t giving good and bad flaws to Queenie or Marie, for Queenie she is either shown being manipulated by Fiona, Madame Laurie, and antagonistic towards everyone else. Her so called “Coven” just completely disowned her in a heartbeat thanks to Cordelia, however just a couple episodes ago everyone was so concerned with Madison and her where abouts even though they viewed her as being trouble, they still went out of their way to get her back. They didn’t do that for Queenie. Fiona is just is a racist, She came in their degrading Marie’s history, denying that her power came from the original priestess of Vodoo because in her words “No illiterate slave gave me my crown.” She believed that a slave, couldn’t possibly have been powerful, and in no way that kind of person could of giving her her crown. That is racist. Madame LaLaurie has had an background and been given a chance to be humanized, so she isn’t a monster…but that’s the problem she is a monster. Saying she did a bad thing like she stole money is not equivalent to her being an torturous slaveowner. Being a racist is NOT character flaw. Ryan Murphy depicting that is not showing racism that is being racist, because showing an racist character being racist like she just made a mistake and is flawed is diminishing the seriousness of racism, and is diminishing what she did as not being a big deal, and perpetuates that what she did can be gotten over. No it can’t, their making light of LaLaurie did and that is disrespectful and racist. You’re not showing another perspective you are trying to whitesplain to me what is and isn’t racist towards Black Women, that is not your place, and not your say so. You can’t speak for Black Women when you are not an Black Woman. Period.